Monday, December 28, 2009

RealClimate: Updates to model-data comarisons

December 28th, 2009
It’s worth going back every so often to see how projections made back in the day are shaping up. As we get to the end of another year, we can update all of the graphs of annual means with another single datapoint. Statistically this isn’t hugely important, but people seem interested, so why not?
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Tuesday, December 22, 2009

Open Mind: Cyclical? Not.

December 22nd, 2009
Over at RealClimate, a commenter by the monicker of manacker insists that global temperature follows a cyclic pattern. His “analysis” to establish this consists of saying, “Looks pretty cyclical to me.”
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Monday, December 21, 2009

The Green Grok: A Skeptics’ Compromise Climate 'Solution'

A reader has contacted us with a comment not allowed through moderation on a blog new to AIC, The Green Grok.  

In this case, AIC finds no reason to believe TGG moderated the reader's comment for purposes of censorship, as it exceeded their explicitly stated 275 word limit.  While 275 words seems to us a to be a fairly low cap for discussing these complex issues meaningfully, we assume TGG has its own reasons for instituting it, and AIC isn't taking issue with the blog instituting or enforcing it.


At the same time, the reader's comment was respectful and on-topic, in response to another person's response to a previous comment by the reader, and certainly not lacking in succinctness.  AIC is happy to provide a space for it.  Perhaps the person the rejected comment was directed at will be able to read the response here.

The article in question:

December 15th, 2009
Climate skeptic Ross McKitrick has proposed a new scheme to address climate change. Reasonable or a (McKi)trick?

At Copenhagen things are going hot and cold, with negotiators from Africa and other developing nations walking out in protest (and walking back in hours later) while the United States and China exchange barbs on who is holding up progress toward an agreement.
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Sunday, December 20, 2009

RealClimate: Unforced variations

December 20th, 2009
Open thread for various climate science-related discussions. Suggestions for potential future posts are welcome.
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Saturday, December 19, 2009

Open Mind: Central England Temperature

(A reader has contacted AIC with a comment from before this forum's creation, and as always, we're happy to put a post for it.  This open invitation for past rejected comments, of course, goes for any climate-related blog, whether they've had a post addressing them before on AIC or not, in keeping with our open invitation for rejected comments from ANY climate-related blogs or climate-related articles)

April 28th, 2008
The longest single instrumental temperature record, one which has recently come under scrutiny in comments on this blog, is the Central England Temperature, or CET. The primary CET record consists of estimates of monthly average temperature from 1659 to the present. Let’s take a close look.
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Friday, December 18, 2009

RealClimate: Jim Hansen's opinion, Kim Cobb's View, More independent views

(Comments on all three of these stories are posted under the Jim Hansen post, so I've combined them here)

December 18th, 2009
Several people have written saying that it would be useful to have an expert opinion on the state of the surface temperature data from someone other than RealClimate members.

Here you go:
TemperatureOfScience.pdf

You don’t get more expert than Jim Hansen.
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December 18th, 2009
Guest Commentary: An Open Essay on “ClimateGate”

Kim Cobb, Georgia Tech
Since the widespread distribution of stolen e-mails originating from the University of East Anglia, I have become increasingly distressed by the way that the internet and media machinery has digested their content. As a climate scientist, I have always been sensitive to the direction the wind is blowing on climate change, and it has become increasingly clear to me that more scientists need to add their voices to the debate. I learned early in my career that it is far better to address the issues raised by global warming skeptics head on rather than ignore their attacks and let public sentiment evolve in an information battleground that has been ceded to their arguments.
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December 18th, 2009
Three more commentaries by experts not associated with RealClimate.

Ben Santer, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Ben Santer again

Myles Allen, University of Oxford

It’s worth noting that Allen has published commentary that is critical of RealClimate.

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A new plug for AIC :)

William Connolley, Doctor of Philosophy from Oxford and Wikipedia administrator former Wikipedia administrator on climate science articles, has decided to plug AIC on his blog (h/t to Magnus Westerstrand):
"An exciting new blog aicomment.blogspot.com. However, I'm insulted that An Open Mind has got on their bad-boys list and I'm not. I thought I was notorious for rejecting inconvenient comments? Anyway, *I* suggest that you all try to make a comment on this post here, I'll reject them all, and you can get me added to their list of blogs. Of course, if they reject your coments then we can start a blog for that."
He seems eager to join the list of "Climate Blogs Covered So Far by AIC" (which could be understandable in a less petty light if this forum received more than the tiny amount of traffic it does at the moment) and has thus been deleting comments from the post.  Any authors whose comments have been deleted are welcome to post them under here. ;)

In the meantime, while Dr. Connolley has been deleting comments from others and leaving a visible record, he's decided thus far not to acknowledge the comment AIC left under his post (which would have been ~#3, if published):
Hi Mr. Connolley,

Thanks for the plug!

While I regret the political nature of the blog's title, created on an afternoon of Sunday football and frustration over the moderation policies of a certain range of the climate blogosphere's political spectrum, it's there now, in response to the reality of things.

But I want to make it clear, if you, or any of your readers have any experiences with posts being rejected, snipped, or moderated away in contradiction to stated comment policies, or in a way you think is unethical, on ANY climate blog, you're free to email AIC, and if the rejected/snipped post fits with the forum's stated policies, I'll create a post for it, and the blog in question will be listed along with CP, OM, and RC...

I intend for the forum to be as close to a fair and neutral space as possible. Though, as the admin of RC Rejects notes, this may be a difficult task:

"Your aspiration to maintain a neutral stance for your blog is certainly a worthy objective. However, I think that you will find it difficult to appear to be neutral even if you assiduously maintain a neutral stance in fact.

The reason that I say this is that I am sure that you will get many more rejected comments from sites such as Real Climate and Open Mind than you will from sites such as Climate Audit, Watts Up With That, The Air Vent, Roger Pielke Jr, Lucia and similar sites.

Why will you get many more rejected comments from Real Climate and Open Mind? The answer lies in the way that they exercise their moderation policy. Both sites simply elect not to put up posts that do not conform with the 'house view' of the site."
Ref

In my experience as a person in the middle of the road on the climate policy discussion, posting comments disagreeable to most "sides", RC Reject's estimation of things is accurate.

If I wanted to be snarky, I could encourage you to add yourself to the blog through your actions, as you suggest above, but the goal of AIC is to better meaningful discussion on climate science and policy, so please don't.

AIC's objection to moderation policies of certain blogs isn't to rejection of "deniers" idiotic comments, which I'm sure are plentiful; it's to the rejection of meaningful comments by informed persons.

Roger Pielke, Jr., who has one of the most open comment moderation policies I've come across, has recently put up a "Rejected Comments" thread. Apparently, his moderation policies haven't provided much need for it. If other blogs who have recognized issues with rejected comments created similar threads, there wouldn't be an acknowledged need for AIC...

Cheers,
AIC
As I've already attempted to comment at Dr. Connolley's site without success, I'll address the three comments let through moderation on his post so far here, briefly:

#3 by J
Okay, I scanned through the latest ten posts over there. Past performance may be no guarantee etc. but I'd say that site isn't going to the top of anyone's must-read list.
#10 has no inconvenient comments.
#9 has no inconvenient comments.
#8 has no inconvenient comments.
#7 has no inconvenient comments.
#6 has no inconvenient comments.
#5 has no inconvenient comments.
#4 has one inconvenient comment. Apparently someone submitted three rather silly comments to Tamino's site and he declined to let them through moderation.
#3 has no inconvenient comments.
#2 has one inconvenient comment. In a RealClimate post, Eric Steig joked about both Hansen and Christie complaining about the peer review process ("If both feel the peer review process is biased against them, it must be working rather well.") Somebody was apparently offended by this, and wrote a rather huffy two-line comment that doesn't show up on RC.
#1 has no inconvenient comments.
Sic transit gloria mundi. 
This is a new site and I've done very little in the way of promoting it so far.  At the moment, it takes very little time administrating, and I've been happy to see if people become aware of it on their own.  I do believe there's a need for something like this forum.  RC Rejects, a blog I was made aware of shortly after the creation of this site, has a much more proactive approach to things, and I believe the comments found and posted there support the argument there's a use for a forum like AIC.  While I might personally agree with much of the editorial stance of RCR, AIC is meant as a neutral mirror, so it leaves it to people to come to here by themselves.

#5 by Guthrie
You'll delete this anyway, but the best way to get in their bad books would be to get people to post denialist type questions to that place.
Its another example of the noise machine going up a gear. Mocking it is one way to go.

I don't know how much I need to comment on this; I think it speaks for itself.  AIC's open nature leaves it open to abuse and manipulation...I'd like to think its clearly stated mission statement would dissuade most from attempting to do so...

#6 by Deech56
After three comments on a thread at American Thinker I was banned and the comments deleted. I could try again and save the comments this time.
PLEASE DO save your comments and please do email a link to the story for posting on AIC...honest paraphrasing for what you've already written is fine, too...

This an AIC thread, and not strictly a mirroring thread for Dr. Connolley's post, so any general comments here are fine.  We might as well use this post for deleted comments from the post in question on Dr. Connelley's blog, too.

Update: Perhaps this comment is from "Guthrie"?

Thursday, December 17, 2009

RealClimate: Please, show us your code

December 17th, 2009
The 1991 Science paper by Friis-Christensen & Lassen, work by Henrik Svensmark (Physical Review Letters), and calculations done by Scafetta & West (in the journals Geophysical Research Letters, Journal of Geophysical Research, and Physics Today) have inspired the idea that the recent warming is due to changes in the sun, rather than greenhouse gases.
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Open Mind: Message from Santer

December 17th, 2009
Eli Rabett has posted the text of a statement made by Ben Santer at the recent AGU meeting (reproduced with Santer’s permission). I’ll assume that Santer wants his message made more public and that he won’t object to my also reproducing it here.
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Tuesday, December 15, 2009

RealClimate: Are the CRU data “suspect”? An objective assessment.

December 15th, 2009
In the wake of the CRU e-mail hack, the suggestion that scientists have been hiding the raw meteorological data that underpin global temperature records has appeared in the media. For example, New York Times science writer John Tierney wrote, “It is not unreasonable to give outsiders a look at the historical readings and the adjustments made by experts… Trying to prevent skeptics from seeing the raw data was always a questionable strategy, scientifically.”
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Open Mind: How Long?

December 15th, 2009
Time and time again, denialists try to suggest that the last 10 years, or 9 years, or 8 years, or 7 years, or 6 years, or three and a half days of temperature data establish that the earth is cooling, in contradiction to mainstream climate science. Time and time again, they’re refuted — shown to be either utterly foolish or downright dishonest or both. Logic seems to have no effect on them.
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Monday, December 14, 2009

RealClimate: AGU Fall 2009

December 14th, 2009
16,000 attendees, thousands of cups of coffee and thousands of interesting conversations (and debates) about science.

That would be San Francisco, not Copenhagen of course.
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Tuesday, December 8, 2009

Open Mind: The better angels of our nature

December 8th, 2009
Fifty-six newspapers worldwide are running, on the front page, this editorial from the Guardian:

Today 56 newspapers in 45 countries take the unprecedented step of speaking with one voice through a common editorial. We do so because humanity faces a profound emergency.

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Open Mind: Riddle me this

December 7th, 2009

Those who are in denial of global warming insist that the last decade of global temperature contradicts what was expected by mainstream climate scientists.
Here’s global temperature data from NASA GISS before the 21st century, for the time span 1975 to 2000:

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RealClimate: The Guardian’s Editorial

December 8th, 2009
The following editorial was published today by 56 newspapers around the world in 20 languages including Chinese, Arabic and Russian. The text was drafted by a Guardian team during more than a month of consultations with editors from more than 20 of the papers involved. Like The Guardian most of the newspapers have taken the unusual step of featuring the editorial on their front page. The Guardian, the editorial is free to reproduce under Creative Commons.
RealClimate takes no formal position on the statements made in the editorial.

Copenhagen climate change conference: Fourteen days to seal history’s judgment on this generation Today 56 newspapers in 45 countries take the unprecedented step of speaking with one voice through a common editorial. We do so because humanity faces a profound emergency.
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Sunday, December 6, 2009

RealClimate: Who you gonna call?

December 5th, 2009
The problem of ‘false balance’ in reporting — the distortions that can result from trying give equal time to the two perceived sides of an issue — is well known. In an excellent editorial a few years ago, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer called for a greater emphasis on truth, rather than ‘balance’. Unfortunately, this basic element of careful journalism seems to have been cast aside, especially in recent weeks.
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RealClimate: Unsettled Science

December 3rd, 2009
Unusually, I’m in complete agreement with a recent headline on the Wall Street Journal op-ed page:

“The Climate Science Isn’t Settled”

The article below is the same mix of innuendo and misrepresentation that its author normally writes, but the headline is correct. The WSJ seems to think that the headline is some terribly important pronouncement that in some way undercuts the scientific consensus on climate change but they are simply using an old rhetorical ‘trick’.
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Wednesday, December 2, 2009

RealClimate: CRU Hack: More context

December 2nd, 2009
Continuation of the older threads. Please scan those (even briefly) to see whether your point has already been dealt with. Let me know if there is something worth pulling from the comments to the main post.

In the meantime, read about why peer-review is a necessary but not sufficient condition for science to be worth looking at. Also, before you conclude that the emails have any impact on the science, read about the six easy steps that mean that CO2 (and the other greenhouse gases) are indeed likely to be a problem, and think specifically how anything in the emails affect them.
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